Category: Cell Phone Talk
Hello all I have upgraded to using ios nine on a 5s. need the rant slower, and how do you find braille setting? thanks for any help. and do but in your own thought on the ios nine if you have any thanks again Erica.
Same place it always was. Under settings general accessibility.
I also think I OS 9 is the best update Apple has done.
I believe this is possible, because they involved the people for beta testing.
It's not only because they opened it up to the public beta testers. It's also because there were not as many new features introduced in this version of the operating system. Instead, aside from the smaller than usual number of new features that were added, apple took the time to make more under the hood improvements. Something that was definitely long overdo.
Just installed IOS 9 today on my 5c and so far I'd say it is much better than any of the 8.*s.
After the horror stories I've heard about IOS 8.4 and the 5C, I'm glad someone found an upgrade that will work.
Thanks 2012, for the 5C point of view. I have had my 5c for a couple years, and can't afford upgrades in the phone itself. So, that's very good to hear, that 9 works.
Blessings,
Me
I'd agree the work under the hood is worthy. Hopefully they'll keep the beta testing going.
When you have people using something, more things get noticed engineers over look.
Such as third party Bluetooth devices, and such.
SDo IOS 9 works on the 5C. That obviously means it works on the 6 or 6+, my hopeful phone of choice in the next few months. I wasn't sure if it was an upgradae intended for the 6S.
I don't use a lot of Aps really mainly use my 5C as a phone. Have only had it for a day now but IOS 9 is working great so far. I wouldn't worry about updating if I was using IOS 8 in fact I'll go on a limb and suggest you do upgrade.
Upgrading will give you several benefits.
I OS 9 was created to work with iPhones from 4S up to 6S.
It has battery saving features and takes up less space on the phone.
It is a good upgrade.
While I've been an iPhone user for four years, I never thought I'd find it worthy to complement Apple on their great work. (They've done a lot of things I don't like or agree with) but as others have said, iOS 9 is truly the best update yet.
Wow, this is all good news. I'm a member of an iPhone group on facebook and everyone and their brother seems to be having issues with IOS 9. I haven't updated my 5S yet because I'm afraid of another disaster like going from IOS 7 to IOS 8. lol I have updated my iPad though. I need to go grap it and check it out.
Blind Guardian, usually new iOS updates will work well on about the two previous phones. So, the 6, 5S and 5C, for sure. Definitely wouldn't want to use it on anything older than a 5. I've got a 5S, at least for now, so I should be ok. Planning to update tonight. I never update on the day it first comes out, as that's when everybody is trying to do it, and it seems people run into more problems when Apple's servers are slammed.
I updated my iPhone 6 on Wednesday night, and I am happy with iOS 9 so far.
It supports back to iPhone 4S.
The only problem I've noted is it doesn't finish.
People should plug devices in to power when updating, or have a full charge over 50%.
In response to post 12:
There will always be people who complain and whine about new updates. This didn't get fixed, that didn't get addressed, etc. While their complaints were founded in the iOS 8 year, the bugs that are present in iOS 9 are minor, at best and definitely not issues that in my opinion, should prevent anyone from upgrading to iOS 9. People just expect everything to be perfect right away for them either out of a sense of entitlement, or what have you.
Some information you might want to know.
http://bgr.com/2015/09/16/ios-9-release-date-roundup-best-new-features/
http://bgr.com/2015/09/16/ios-9-features-secret-hidden/
Note Siri can turn on or off low power mode.
http://www.apple.com/ios/siri/
And Zoners favorite feature,
“Hey Siri 8 ball, will I win the lottery?”
Okay, you got homework.
Thanks for the links with info.
I'm not one to get all butt hurt over a few little bugs but these people were describing issues with audio and making and receiving calls. Yikes. It seems to be working fine on the iPad though so I'll probably update my phone soon.
I think the issues that they were running into with regards to answering calls had to do with answering them with Bluetooth audio devices connected to the phone. I personally, have not run into any issues answering phone calls or the like when I plug in a regular pair of earpods, or when I just use the phone's audio system. So, if there are any bugs present, they probably only occur when you pipe your audio through those Bluetooth devices. An easy enough thing to avoid, in my opinion. Unless of course you have a hearing impairment that requires you to use a Bluetooth device.
Sometimes with upgrades older Bluetooth devices get left out.
This might be the problem.
I also have no problems with calls.
If anything, I'd say my calls are better and I've had less drops.
I've experienced the particular Bluetooth bug mentioned here, and as someone who prefers using a Bluetooth device over the actual phone it's pretty annoying.
For the record, I've experienced bugs with two of the Bluetooth devices I own (a keyboard and an earpiece). Like Wayne said though, Bluetooth devices often seem to get left out till the next few updates...so I won't get too frustrated yet.
I am quite disappointed with iOS 9. It totally crashed the iPhone 4s of two people that I know. I am finding the VoiceOver rotor sluggish on other devices, there is a definite lag when I use the Siri female voice, and I am amazed that two years in a row there are phone answering and caller ID bugs for VoiceOver users. We're a small constituency but I expected far better for what was touted as a bug fixing release. The new features don't come close to compensating for this, in my case.
Regarding Bluetooth devices, I have also heard of instances of the phone answering bug with the phone itself, not connected to Bluetooth.
On Bluetooth devices.
It is my opinion that Apple really isn't responsible for every single company's bluetooth products.
Apple has their own, and these work with their updates.
Apple also has what is called certified devices, and these are usually the best products to purchase, if you don't purchase Apple brand.
How can we expect one company to cover anyone elses procucts when they upgrade their company systems?
Just my thoughts.
On the 4S. It is usually the last devices on the upgrade scale that don't move over best.
Why, I have no idea.
Apple will support you however if your issue is an OS one.
So IOS 9 works with the 4S? Hmm,k that's good to know. I'm alright with IOS 7 though. Think I'll wait until I upgrade.
It's honestly your funeral if you decide to upgrade a 4S. While Apple does support it for this update, that doesn't mean that it's going to work flawlessly. It's a 4 year old phone, so it's already outdated at best. At worst, its parts are probably breaking down anyway. These phones can only take so much wear and tear, unlike the old-fashion flip phones, that were not as capable of doing some of the things that smart phones can do now days after all, but that could last for years and years. Its processor chip is probably even older than the chip that is on the current available apple TV model.
Blind Guardian, MadDog is right. I would definitely not upgrade a 4S to iOS 9. You're asking for a very, very sluggish phone and a host of problems, especially as a Voice-Over user. While it may technically be supported, I can't see it working out very well in practicality. The oldest phone I'd update to iOS 9 would be the iPhone 5.
I upgraded mine too. Compared to all the bugs in Ios 8 when that first came out, 9 is excellent. But as usual, they broke the Samantha voice...again. Why must they always do this? It's sad when the default Samantha actually sounds better than the enhanced. I think I saw a friend on Twitter say that Samantha now sounds like raggedy shit, and it's true. Other than that annoyance, I haven't experienced most of the bugs people have talked about. I did have some trouble with my Bluetooth keyboard the first day I upgraded, but it hasn't given me trouble since then, so maybe that was just a fluke, I'm not sure.
MadDog, I don't think people expect it to work well out of a sense of entitlement, but you'd think after months of beta testing, Apple wouldn't be so sloppy when they release a new iOS. They've had months to get this right, and every time they release with a host of bugs and problems that they then scramble to get the next update to fix. I don't think it's entitlement to expect better than that from a company that proclaims themselves to be as great as Apple does. Some do expect perfection, and I know that's unrealistic, but truly the sloppiness with which most new iOS versions get released with is pretty pathetic.
I've always ran my phone with the enhanced Samantha voice. I'll have to try the regular one.
She seems to pronounce things a bit better, but it was odd getting use to her, I'll admit that.
Somethings I come on new, I am like huh? hahaha.
Problem here, is how many blind beta testers did Apple have?
They had tons of seeing, but still, this update is the best I've had, and I've been using iPhone sense the 4S.
Decent.
Now, is Samantha married? I'll ask Siri.
In all my time being an iPhone user I've never used the enhanced Samantha voice. That being said, I think she sounds a hell of a lot more clear/better overall in iOS 9.
Now, why anyone would chance updating a 4S to iOS9 is beyond me. Personally I'd say you're really pushing it in updating a five. (Someone close to me recently did and is not seeing the wonderful results that I and others are).
I might not if I had the 4S. Otherwise even for security reasons, I'd update.
I agree that updating older devices carries inherent risks, regardless of software vendor or circumstances. But if it is not gonna work on a 4s, why tout it as such? This has crashed the 4s of two people I know. Their phones worked fine, in terms of hardware. In terms of the phone crashing when answering calls, this hits people with VoiceOver regardless of phone model and whether or not they are using Bluetooth devices or headsets. That is to say, a standalone phone in your pocket under iOS 9 can crash when you receive a phone call, and you'll have to restart. It'll happen rarely, I gather, but it'll happen. Call it as it is. Apple has botched the initial releases of two, arguably three, consecutive iOS updates, particularly for VoiceOver users.
Well, maybe for some, but even for Voice Over users, or in my case, I really think the update has been good.
I've not had a call crash yet, but if I had one call crash, I'd not think that a reason to say the complete OS update was a botch.
Software on any device for anyone will have glitches. It just seems to be the evils of software.
Historically, the last device Apple says can be updated, usually has more issues then the newer, but some people even with these have good success.
I personally don't own, and have never owned a perfect device. Just doesn't seem to be how it goes.
I guess my big beef is that we all know this stuff didn't happen when Mr. Jobbs was there. I think if a bug is known, as it was to Apple, that prevents even a small number users from doing something as basic as answering phone calls, they ought to correct it before release to the masses. Release ought to be dictated by quality and readiness, not the need to get millions of new expensive devices out by September 20 something every year. Every company's software will have bugs, for certain. I just hate this new trend I am noticing with Apple. I'll be flamed for this, that's perfectly fine. LOL
I have not experienced the crash of phone calls at all, nor have I had trouble answering calls.
However, I have noticed that it seems like we have less time to answer phone calls than we did even in iOS 8. Has anyone else noticed this?
Another thing I've noticed, and I think someone mentioned it already, is the fact VoiceOver does not always alert you to who is calling. (If it does, its voice is so quiet you can barely hear what is being said) and if I'm not mistaken this has been an ongoing problem.
This page describes how to get your phone to ring longer before it goes to voicemail.
http://lifehacker.com/5878635/change-how-long-your-phone-rings-before-sending-calls-to-voicemail?utm_expid=66866090-55.VeucWPObSOiOW4XRx2RJDA.0&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3DHow%2Bto%2Badjust%2Bhow%2Bmany%2Btimes%2BiPhone%2Brings%2Bwhen%2Breceiving%2Ba%2Bcall%253F%26src%3DIE-SearchBox%26FORM%3DIESR02
On caller ID announcing in I OS 9.
For me I can get it to announce every time if I’m just using the phone.
The trouble is, it only says the name once, and this is at the start of the call ringing, so easy to miss with the sound of the ringer.
If you happen to miss it, pick up the phone, slide your finger down from the earpiece until you find the name of the person calling.
If you continue down, you’ll find an options button as well.
Touching the name will make it repeat as often as you like before you either answer or allow it to go to voicemail.
If you have on a headset, you can hear it the same way.
I haven't had any problem answering calls at all with 9. However I did with all versions of 8. The only thing I've noticed with 9 is I don't get the cherp noise when I hang up a call. If the other person hangs up before I do I will get the noise but not if I hang up first. Weird I know. I have a 5C and everything else seems to work better than it did with all of the versions of 8.
Wayne, as I've told you before, one shouldn't have to perform gestures of any kind to get the caller ID to repeat the name more than once. I understand that's the way it is, but that doesn't mean it's right. Cause there did used to be a time when caller ID would repeat several times fairly loudly, if I'm not mistaken. Apple should go back to those days.
Why do we need VoiceOver to repeat names over and over again? Just swipe on the screen until you find the name to see who it is.
Personally, I don't like anouncements of who's calling, but that is a personal like.
I like it more private. If I wish to see, I look.
But, I understand others preferences.
Because my phone talks, it sometimes takes some of my privacy away, so I tend to turn off speech if I'm around people and wish to keep my text and other information private.
Sometimes I'll set notifications so they do not appear on the lock screen as well.
Anyone picking up your phone even when you have it locked, can read your incoming information.
That privacy screen is wonderful too. Smile.
I can't read seeing persons phones, so I feel it fair they can't read, or hear mine.
I'm the same.
I have found a few bugs though. The VO router, no matter what it's set too, keeps going back to characters; this is annoying as I always have mine set to speech rate as i often like to change the rate depending on what I'm doing; hoping this is fixed in 9.1.
Also, I thought I found a VO bug in the iBooks app but think it sseems to just take longer to load the book now.
Now to update the watch tonight. :)
I am agreement with post 40. I would rather my phone does not continually announce who's calling throughout the entire time it rings. I hope if Apple ever reinstates that, it will be an option that we can toggle.
In regards to post 33:
While Mr. Jobbs was very competent in his day, and while I personally am not overly fond of Tim Cook, I do also have to point out that in Steve Jobbs' day, iOS was not as capable or as feature-rich as it is today. So, it was probably easier then to check and make sure that if while not everything was bug-free, that the bugs were minor and obscure at best. We don't know how Steve Jobbs would've handled all of the new features that have come to these phones since his day, so let's not try to compare apples to oranges.
Voiceover users are not the only ones who have some issues with these updates, don't try to put voiceover users on the pity wagon all by themselves. Sighted people had some issues with iOS 8 too, and a few minor ones with iOS 9, just like voiceover users. Subsequent releases of the operating system will squash one or two issues at a time, as long as they're reported to apple rather than only being complained about on forums.
Going to update ios 9 on my Iphone 4s.
Right, we're not the only ones that get bugs. Apple at least make this equal. Smile.
It always makes me laugh when people give credit for 100's or thousands of people hard work to one person.
Jobs was a good motivator, sure, but he didn't do anything single handed.
The ideas, concepts, work, and all are a company project.
Also complaints get made, like Apple only being concerned with selling millions of phones a year.
That is only one aspect of the iPhones development.
Software is a total separate department, so has probably been working on ideas for I OS 9 last year.
They just don't put it out as soon as they have it.
Hmm, I never remember the iPhone continually repeating the identity or number of the caller, but like someone else said, I would rather they not go back to that if it indeed did used to be that way. IF they do, I too hope it's an option you can toggle. I don't mind having to use some gestures to get it to read the caller ID, so long as it actually does read, and not just stop talking altogether. I personally have not had that problem, but I know others who have.
No, Voice-Over users aren't the only ones who experience bugs. We're not on the pity wagon all by ourselves. However, it can't be denied that the bugs that effect us are usually the lowest priority to fix, and therefore the last to be fixed, because we're such a minority. It usually takes until the third or fourth release of an iOS before Voice-Over bugs are addressed.
What I don't like about Apple now is that we basically already know what day iOS 10 will come out next year, and we know the iPhone 7 etc etc will come out that same day, whether or not any of it is really ready for prime time. We need only think of Bendgate with the initial iPhone 6, the Maps debacle on initial release, iOS 8 causing people to lose cell coverage in one of its early incarnations, not to mention the ridiculous lists of VoiceOver bugs in 7, 8 and 9. I've heard Apple Store employees express these same opinions off the record. Apple is great. But this is a poor company direction and could alienate many faithful.
Well, I understand everyone doesn't like Apple.
For these that don't, you have alternatives.
Not saying we should not talk about a products shortcomings, that is fine, but when it gets to the point Apple is completely screwed, I wonder why the persons stating so continue to buy the product?
Samsung has made wonderful progress in it's system for speech on it's Galaxy line.
This is a good thing, because we now have more choices.
I can understand people still bitching about IOS 8, but come on 9 is a real good one with very few bugs. and None of them that I know of would prevent me from updateing from 8. I wish all updates were as good as this one is.
To set the record straight, the reason I've complained on here about the caller ID issue is because I experience what someone brought up, where VoiceOver completely stops talking when I try to read who is calling by doing the gestures myself.
Forget the fact that I said we shouldn't have to do the gestures ourselves; my opinion hasn't changed about that nor will it do so. However, it's all well and good for people to say just do the gestures and stop complaining because it works (if that's what they are experiencing) but clearly as has been indicated here some of us are not having such a flawless experience as others seem to be.
For the record Darren, I think you're right in a lot of what you say. I hope I didn't come off as critical when I made the comment about not knowing why a person would update their 4S to iOS 9. I was just a little surprised, given your background.
Anyway Darren, I'm sorry that many here don't seem to like Apple's shortcomings being talked about but when you discuss good aspects of a company, you shouldn't leave out the bad ones. Talking about the bad aspects of Apple or any other company doesn't mean you're saying they shouldn't exist or that they suck all across the board; it simply demonstrates your ability to look at all sides, think about things from an honest angle rather than rose-colored glasses, and shows that you're truly interested in trying to be a part of implementing change for the better. I know I am; that's why I email Apple Accessability about things. I don't just "bitch on forums."
Agree with Chelsea on that last part especially. I too, email Apple accessibility, not just gripe. If we don't tell them what we're experiencing, they can't fix it. Apple does a lot of great stuff, and in general, makes good products. But that doesn't mean they don't have problems. I don't see a problem with discussing both the good and the bad. And speaking of which, I also try to email Apple accessibility with things they've done with Voice-Over that are really good, or work well. Again, if they don't know that something works well, they might fix what isn't broken. Yes, they often do that anyway, but I think you guys get the idea. that, and I think it's important to provide positive feedback in addition to criticism.
Actually I noticed I had the same thing happen to me as Chelsea last night so had to answer a telemarketting call. Lol
I also email about the good and bad as well.
It seems to help.
Now, if I could get a perfect device.
Apple, Microsoft, my coffee maker? hahaha.
Thanks Chelsea in post 50. You hit it right on the head. I did over the weekend have a chance to play with iOS 9 on another device. It has some strengths, great responsiveness being one. I found on certain pages where Safari was jumpy in many of iOS 8's incarnations, it is working fine with iOS 9. I like the ability to use many different voices as well, and in spite of my general disdain for such things I really like the new proactive spotlight search. Still, until phone answering and caller ID work flawlessly, it is a nonstarter here. I don't want to miss my boss's phone call just because I installed buggy software. 9 will mature in time, and I look forward to installing it when it does.
I know there is no jailbreak for iOS9, but once there is should I bother upgrading? I rely on Bluetooth because of my hearing for answering phone calls. This needs to work relyably. is it worth the upgrade considering that bug?
So far Bluetooth is not great. To me, there is not a feature set that warrants the upgrade in light of the bugs, but that may vary for others depending on whether or not you think the new features in iOS 9 outweigh the bugs that you may encounter.
Not all are having problems with the Bluetooth though, so you'd have to take the equipment being used in account, and model of phone.
Next, you can't count on a jailbreak to not have bugs. These sometimes have bugs the regular software does not.
When a person jailbreaks the device, it is hard to say if the problem they experience is an Apple problem.
As to matureing, software never seems to do that.
I personally have not experienced any that doesn't have something wrong for some people.
This morning I updated to the latest iOS update that was released yesterday and the first thing that jumped out at me was the fact that the Bluetooth earpiece issues have not been resolved.
This is really a problem for those of us who use Bluetooth earpieces, because before iOS 9 we never had the problem of answering a call on our Bluetooth devices and the call automatically switching over to the actual phone. (I could always answer calls from my Bluetooth earpiece without a worry that my phone would unexpectedly go to the phone itself).
Like Darren, I remain hopeful that this gets fixed, because people really cannot afford trying to talk to someone professional only to discover the person on the other end can't hear them.
I'm very very glad I haven't updated, jailbreak not withstanding.
I am also having battery drain issues with iOS 9 on the devices I have tested it on. I have all background refreshes turned off, location services turned off except when the apps using them are actually on screen, yet background is still happening and the battery is going from 50 to 20 percent in a matter of minutes. This may be isolated but it is still worth reporting.
It is unfortunit for these users that are having problems.
If I wish to use one, and wanted to know for sure if my model worked, I'd go in to an Apple store and have the rep give me a test.
They have phones with the latest OS, so can show you.
An Apple, or Apple certified headset will work.
Third party, as I've outlined may not.
Still not Apple's fault however.
But it IS Apple's fault that the users without Bluetooth devices can't answer their phones. I think that a warning should be released to VoiceOver users on release day if something serious is gonna happen. Or alternatively, release the system when it is truly ready. If it is September or December, release it to all when it is ready. Every piece of software by every vendor is going to have bugs in it. But I don't think Apple should get a total free pass when it releases something with serious bugs. I love Apple. I love going into an Apple Store and trying a device myself. I mean, blind people have never had that chance, to be on an equal footing with the sighted in a technology store. So it is with huge gratitude that I use iOS. But it can't be denied that updating iOS for VoiceOver users, in recent years, has become a very risky proposition.
The only problem that I found with 9 seems to be fixed with 9.02. I know get the sound when I hang up a call.
I totally disagree that Apple is not responsible for this kind of issue not being looked into and ultimately resolved. Because, as I've said here and on other topics I'm sure, this particular issue was never a problem before iOS 9 was released. So, that being said, this should be all the more reason for Apple to make things right again. It isn't like this is only happening with one person, after all.
Darren is exactly right though, and as I said earlier, I wish more people would accept and admit the truth he has presented here again and again.
The issue that is going on with Bluetooth devices is not only for voiceover users, as I understand it. While I have not yet experienced it myself, I have been told that non-voiceover users seem to be experiencing it as well. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that it will get resolved in upgrades like 9.0.1 or 9.0.2. No, it will more than likely get fixed with one of the major updates like 9.1 or later.
The only good news is that if non Voice-Over users are having the Bluetooth issue as well, there is hope of it being fixed sooner than later. It's the issues that only effect VO users that takes eons to get fixed, if they ever do. Leaffan is right, Apple is definitely responsible when it comes to releasing their own software with so many bugs. no, they are not responsible for the bugs or accessibility issues in apps created by other developers, but they are for their own.
I have not had the battery drain issue that some have, which has come as a pleasant surprise to me. My battery life is actually pretty good.
Sure, Apple's responsible. It is their product.
What Apple is not responsible for it that third party headset do not work, if theirs does.
I agree with poster 67 in that the drivers that apple might've been supplied for certain third-party Bluetooth devices were probably not compatible with their latest OS release. If that is the case, then it is probably the fault of the Bluetooth manufacturer. If that manufacturer for your particular device is Apple, then yes, it's definitely Apple's fault.
Hi an issue that I'm seeing is one of voiceover user hangs up the phone the audios left in
the audio call voice. Meaning that really crappy voice you hear Wong the phone, and does
not default back to the digital voice that you normally hear from Samantha. Lastly, when
exploring not swiping back to different controls really fast in certain areas like Safari
voiceovers tends to lose it's speech and so you go back to the home screen.
Getting around that voice when you first activate is easy if you have a backup. Smile.
Guess I'm spoiled, but I gave up on the drunk dude, and just loaded my backup. Now I was ready to finish my activation. *sigh*
To poster 69:
Like we've said in previous posts, if you see any of these bugs, report them to the people on Apple's accessibility team if you haven't done so already. That way, you will have the chance of them being addressed.